scenrio players vs. speed players

How's aboot a couple speedball forumers go up against a few scenario forumers.......

I started out playing woods and when I converted the hardest thing was to learn to come out of bunkers.....in woods, you usually have the room to bring half or more of your body out of a bunker......in speedball, no more than a gun, half a mask and two little fingers can come out of a bunker.....speedball is just as much staying tight in a bunker as it is making accurate shots.....I can't Imagine coming out of a bunker with a 2 1/2 foot marker.........many of you have also proven in your posts that a scenario player's win would not come out of accurate shooting......but lobbing pansy 'nades all over the place.....with a speedballer....it's just him/her and their gun....

stock class would dominate in both lol

ok i think this thread is a lot of bs but i will say it seriously depends,

this sounds like a regular day at my field we have a woods field taped off a little larger than a speed ball field but in no way large enough to be woods ball there is no brush and generally small hyperball tubes tires and plywood bunkers short trenches and a hill. we have a variety of speedball scenario and stock class players anyone that comes out on top is an all round player, not the speedballers not the woodsball players not the scenario players any all scenario/speedball team never wins against variety. so to answer the question passed 1 the woodsball players take point speedball give cover, stock class take the flanks and crawls and scenario players stand around and try to look cool.

the gun you use doesn’t make either kind of player it depends on the characteristics you play. There people with milsims can move suprisingly fast but then we always get rich kids with flashy speed ball guns that sit back and camp.

and this thread is not only stupid it is in the wrong section it's not an idea it's an arguement.

^^^   if the gernades went off, and its not that easy, when i had my a5 and never played speedball i had my friend and his team come over and then they played with us in the woods..well we got owned,    they didnt use to much cover but when the found thats all that came at us was paint. No boudy could move, so one by one we got out, im going to have to lean towards the speedballers

well im a woodsball player,speedball player,scenario player and its the gun u have or wat anybody could win! nobody could say speedball players would dominate or woodsball players would or scenario so i think we should just stop this monster before it gets 10 pages long!

 

jeep 98 custom wrote:  I'd bet on Infamous over the OMHW in the woods anyday.

That's a match i'd love to see,. because some overpaid professional sportsman will totally own someone like "oldsoldier" from OMHW, (Viet vet,. playing in the "woods" since he was 18,.FOR REAL!)  ::sarcasam::

 

jeep 98 custom wrote: As soon as contact is made, woods starts turning into a speedball game. .

Sorry,. no,. woods is it's own animal,. no confinement,. no bunkers to hide behind,.  not to mention cover and concealment,.

Ashran wrote: ncbbh88 wrote: scenario guys would win at that i guarantee their mil sim guns may be slower but the longer barrels and in my case flatline would just rip the speedballers apart from a distance   and common one good grenade out of a 203 at the start of a game would take out the whole speedball team lol YOU FOOL.  Half would get ripped up off the break, they wouldn't stand a chance. EDIT: I'll elaborate.  IT's their field, they know it all, they can shoot paint faster, they are faster, and have smaller targets. As for woods, It might be even  We could outshoot you guys, but hiding doesn help plenty.

how do you guns shoot faster?     how are your targets smaller?  and how are you faster?       woodsball guys can run too most of the guys i play with are on the tracke team with me and we all run the 100meter dash        dose thea make us ne slower than a speedballplayer?

rednekk98 wrote: As for speedball guns being the best woodsball guns, I'm going to have to say that's almost right, but at least in my experiances, drops aren't wood-friendly. Sometimes there isn't cover that you can stand or crouch behind, that's why my drop comes off and standard ASA goes on. I suppose a gun for playing the snake would work fine here. Winning is all about the proper application of force. Pitching a cohesive unit like a speedball team against a rag-tag bunch of rec players defending a base is going to end in the speedballers dominating. You can properly apply force in such a way as a small unit can take on a larger one easily. Like be unpredictable to spread out defenses, then drive at the weakpoint(or whatever point works best for you, this may be the point closest to the objective) with everything you have. If you can divide the forces and put everything you have on each part, you're almost assured victory. Napoleon figured that out long ago.

I find one flaw in your argument. You are acting as if all speedball players are team players or are on a team and as if all of them are good, and that the woods players in the situation described in the topic are 10 yr old rec ballers.

And one more thing. A woods player doesn't have to use a replica pball gun in this game either. I believe he's talking about the tactics used and that's about it.

So give a 10 man scenario team that has been playing together for 10 years, and a 10 man speedball team that has been playing together for 10 years the same markers with the exact same setups. The barrel doesn't have to be stock but everything else must.

Stick 'em on a field that you can't quite call woodsball and you can't quite call speedball. Let them wear the best possible clothing and equipment for that kind of field.

That's the situation. I take back what I said in my original post about woodsballers dominating. We'd have to watch that game to find out.

As for speedball guns being the best woodsball guns, I'm going to have to say that's almost right, but at least in my experiances, drops aren't wood-friendly. Sometimes there isn't cover that you can stand or crouch behind, that's why my drop comes off and standard ASA goes on. I suppose a gun for playing the snake would work fine here. Winning is all about the proper application of force. Pitching a cohesive unit like a speedball team against a rag-tag bunch of rec players defending a base is going to end in the speedballers dominating. You can properly apply force in such a way as a small unit can take on a larger one easily. Like be unpredictable to spread out defenses, then drive at the weakpoint(or whatever point works best for you, this may be the point closest to the objective) with everything you have. If you can divide the forces and put everything you have on each part, you're almost assured victory. Napoleon figured that out long ago.

me and jeep ran into about 8 guys...didnt get through a hopper