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    Posted: 16 December 2004 at 8:26pm
    So yeah, me and my friends were sitting in lunch talkin about stuff. Well, the evolution vs. creationism came up and we eventually found ourselves talking about the possibility of an adavanced alien culture playing the part of "God".  So I was thinkin about it and it does make a lot of sense when you start to get into it.


      Imagine this: An advanced alien culture with technology beyond what we can think of now decides to embark on the grand experiment. They take some rock in a distant solar system and terraform it. After so long, when the planet becomes inhabitable they plant the seeds of life here. Really there are two possibilities here: 1) they waited a long time untill there was already life here and just engineered us and put us in here, maybe even just our ancestors the Cromagnams(this would explain the missing link) and grew us as a species and influenced our culture for a while untill we were smart enough to handle ourselves somewhat, and even after that from what I've concluded or 2) they threw that first single celled organism in that warm pool and started it all from there. We'll just go on the notion that number one is the case. They engineer us and put us here and influence us to form the great cultures of the world and discipline us by making religions so that we would live in a (somewhat)civilized way and they could set the ground rules, give us certain technologies, and help us along our way untill we get too smart for that and they have to back off.



      This theory makes sinse too if you look at all the major cultures and religions of the world. I mean, they are all obsessed with the sky. They all rely on the fact that an entity from the sky made us. They all have stories that can be interpreted into UFO encounters. The list goes on. Also, it would explain the fact that there are stange similarities in cultures from very different parts of the world. Think  about the fact that there are pyramids in all sections of the world,from mexico to egypt to china. And there are other things too. The bow, the wheel, ect. It just doesn't add up that different cultures from different continents would have these similarities without some sort of common link.



   Anyway, I just thought this was a cool theory, I know I didn't make it up but I've been thinking about it and thought I'd get you guy's opinions. Oh and btw, I'm not gonna get into religious bickering and opinion arguing like I did in that one thread. It gets boring after a while and it ends up becoming a flame fest most of the time. So please none of that. Anyway, cool theory in my opinion, whatchu think?(lol)

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That's what you're talking about at lunch?

 


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On the topic of the wheel, the most believably way they built the pyramids was they used a quarter of a wheel..yet we found no evidence of one.  If they can build pyramids (assuming they did) they would have enough common sense to put 2 and 2 together.
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that does make sense, kinda. But we are getting smarter and smarter, they would have started us over by now. I dont think were some alien test tube babies. If i see an alien, on tv or something on the history channel, i get freaked. I hate pics of aliens. Freak the crap right outa me. If i saw a movie, id go into shock and if i saw one, id die, right there just die.
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thats just our pop culture version of aliens......they could look like anything...they could look like us....crap they could look like little kittens...who knows?

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^^^ not scary, im a video game junkie.
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Wow.  You people are nerds...
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wow....that picture really did freak me out.
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Originally posted by Trogdor2 Trogdor2 wrote:

Wow.  You people are nerds...



You see a nerd, I see an intellectual person who likes to talk about deeper things than video games and sports and what someone said to someone else.....different strokes I guess.....

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well, first and formost, cromagnon man, is dated at 30,000 years old. however, "modern man" (homo sapiens sapiens) was around before then.

there is also not just 1 missing link, there are millions of them.

just to nit pick, it wouldn't be terraforming, as earth is terra and to terraform earth would be to leave it exactly as it was.

as for the similarities between cultures, i agree, i believe all cultures sprouted from a single culture on the pangea supercontinent. as for the sky, while many cultures to atribute those things to the sky, i wouldn't say all of them do.
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It just doesn't add up that different cultures from different continents would have these similarities without some sort of common link.


Why not, if one ancient cultures creates something revolutionary or grand, such as a pyramid, don't you think that another culture equally advanced would somewhere along their timeline create something similar. Consider a child's behavior, when a child is very young they are very curious, then they go through stages where they become demanding, the transformation goes on. If we look at the behvioural cycle of a human and see that generally every goes through the same stage in their life, then it is not too far fethced to make the statement that creation and science also evolves the same way throughout cultures.


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Originally posted by adrenalinejunky adrenalinejunky wrote:


just to nit pick, it wouldn't be terraforming, as earth is terra and to terraform earth would be to leave it exactly as it was.

lol - yeah, it would be martiaforming or something...    :)

But this theory really raises the issue of what constitutes a "god."  Most religions, until quite recently, didn't really have the allpowerful god, but simply had "very powerful" gods (think Greek gods etc.).  The aliens = gods theory would be perfectly consistent with any of these religions.  To make this theory consistent with allpowerful-god religions, however, some squinting is required.

Have you read Heinlein's Job?  Somewhat relevant on the subject.

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one of the newest theorys on the first celled organisism acctually starts off with dna.. said that certain gases when heated form fats proteins ect... and has acctually been tested and proven. All those combined to create the four amino acids to create the first strand of dna that is the latest theory of how it all started.
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Ive never seen the idea of extraterrestrial life as any creationism vs evolution debate.

Think of it this way from the christian side. God creates us, god screws around and jesus comes and all that stuff, then god leaves. What has god been up to? If we are truly made in his image, wouldnt he be bored? Or at least have the desire to go "try again" somewhere else? If he created us for whatever reasons, wouldnt it make sense that he would make some other people somewhere else?

Now think of it this way from the evolutionist side. The universe is INFINITE. We have no idea how big it is, how many stars and planets and nebula and other cool stuff there really is out there. Logically if the universe is infinite, then the probability of there being other life somewhere in the universe is ALSO infinite. Even if the universe has some limit that we cant even comprehend theres still bazillions of stars and planets and all that good stuff, so the probability of life somewhere else should easily be very VERY great.

The insane idea some people have of believing that humans are the ONLY life in the entire universe is just plain and simple arrogance. Maybe they should look back in history and read about when arrogant people believed other insane things like how the entire universe revolves around us.


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^^^ Very true. The idea that our ancestors worshiped aliens instead of a god is not true, though. Because if you think about, God is an E.T.

Extra Terrestrial - Not of this earth. I'd say God fits that description pretty well - An all powerful being that is not from this planet.
Worship of the sky - I'd attribute that to the worship of celestial objects. Man saw things "looking down on them" that they couldn't understand, but that had major affects on thier daily lives (you know, like night & day, etc...). Also most "inexplicable" weather effects came from the sky. It would only be natural for them to think of this as being the supernatural as opposed to worshiping a rock or a tree or something they understood a little better.

Interesting theory, though.

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Originally posted by ENOS ENOS wrote:

  God creates us, god screws around and jesus comes and all that stuff, then god leaves. What has god been up to? If we are truly made in his image, wouldnt he be bored? Or at least have the desire to go "try again" somewhere else? If he created us for whatever reasons, wouldnt it make sense that he would make some other people somewhere else?

"...God leaves"????  I don't think you're talking about Christianity.
"...What has God been up to?" Not to go all Ernest on you, but it's stated in the Bible that he's been preparing a place for us (John 14:2)
"...for whatever reasons" For his enjoyment - look in Ecclesiastes. Besides, you can't really equip God with human emotions and characteristics like boredom.
It is rather nieve to think that we were the only thing  that he created in the universe, though. Many Christians don't.



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Interesting subject to talk about, but if you're using the ET idea to explain away issues with how life may have started, don't forget that even if it were artifically begun on Earth it would have had to start naturally somewhere else.

Originally posted by the_blade the_blade wrote:


one of the newest theorys on the first celled organisism acctually starts off with dna.. said that certain gases when heated form fats proteins ect... and has acctually been tested and proven. All those combined to create the four amino acids to create the first strand of dna that is the latest theory of how it all started.

amino acids have been created in laboratory settings using specific chemical starting conditions and electricity using what has been assumed would have been chemicals present on early earth. However, there are more than just four amino acids necessary for life to exist, and at least one of those has never been created artifically. Also, the fact that outside of a cell nucleus DNA breaks down incredibly rapidly seems to preclude it forming by itself somehow (even if you don't consider the second law of thermodynamics, or the statistical improbability of it.)

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