Medical Marijuana

I know its hard....but try to be civil now and again.


Edited by Reb Cpl - 26 March 2009 at 11:50am

Reb Cpl wrote: Just because there's a 'stupid law' doesn't really give you the right to break it. In fact, breaking a law because you think its moronic is about the stupidest thing I can think of doing.

I think the American Revolution revolutionists would disagree with you on that one.




Edited by God - 26 March 2009 at 12:31pm

God wrote: Reb Cpl wrote: Just because there's a 'stupid law' doesn't really give you the right to break it. In fact, breaking a law because you think its moronic is about the stupidest thing I can think of doing.  I think the American Revolution revolutionists would disagree with you on that one.

You're talking about the laws that taxed and governed an entire 'nation' of people. These laws were enough to offend the vast, overwhelming majority of the citizens of the American colonies to the point where they activated and did something about it.

Now look at weed. Are you telling me that protesting its illegitimacy  by sneaking around in back alleys and faking medical conditions is paramount going to war over such things as taxation without representation and nation wide exploitation?



 

Eville wrote: FreeEnterprise wrote: brihard wrote: `Selective Morality``. Hm, I like how you`re trying to suggest that Marijuana use is inherently immoral.   Yeah, I'm funny like that.   When something is illegal. I find that doing it anyway is kind of immoral... are you saying Rosa Parks was immoral for sitting at the front of the bus?

Gah, silly Tippmann forum, double posting me...

Edited by stratoaxe - 26 March 2009 at 1:11pm

So driving 60 in a 55 zone, but not smoking pot because it's illegal is selective morality as well right? Guess the morality police never get speeding tickets?

But you are still breaking the law, correct? So it is still selective morality. So is working jobs under the table and not paying taxes. Technically, it's tax fraud, which is illegal. Selling all this garage sale goodies and not reporting it as income is most likely also technically breaking the law.  A vast majority of us suffer from selective morality, let's all be a little less hypocritical.

Edited by oldpbnoob - 26 March 2009 at 1:40pm

God wrote: Reb Cpl wrote: God wrote: Reb Cpl wrote: Just because there's a 'stupid law' doesn't really give you the right to break it. In fact, breaking a law because you think its moronic is about the stupidest thing I can think of doing.  I think the American Revolution revolutionists would disagree with you on that one. You're talking about the laws that taxed and governed an entire 'nation' of people. These laws were enough to offend the vast, overwhelming majority of the citizens of the American colonies to the point where they activated and did something about it. Now look at weed. Are you telling me that protesting its illegitimacy by sneaking around in back alleys and faking medical conditions is paramount going to war over such things as taxation without representation and nation wide exploitation?   My reply had nothing to do with marijuana. I was only responding to you statement of "breaking a law because you think its moronic is about the stupidest thing I can think of doing." History has determined that your statement, as illustrated in my Revolutionary War example is not always correct. Ghandhi's legally disobedient actions also demonstrates that "breaking a law because you think its moronic" was not the stupidest thing that has ever happened to India. I was not originally planning on directly comparing legal or illegal marijuana use to the revolutionary war but since you brought it up, yes, sure I can see a valid comparison of the "estimated 100 million Americans aged 12 or older have tried marijuana at least once in their lifetimes, representing 40.6% of the U.S. population in that age group," http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/drugfact/marijuana/marijuana_ff.html, as comparable to the "40 percent" of the colonial population which were "actively revolutionist" colonial population, http://www.fsmitha.com/h3/h32-rv.htm" going to war over taxation. The two difference examples (marijuana and revolutionary war ) may be taking different approaches to "protesting the illegitimacy" of the laws that they disagree with but I do not feel that because one is much more extreme in action than the other, that one is any less as civil disobedient than the other. Breaking the law is breaking the law. Again, Ghandi used a third option of civil disobedience to achieve his goal of overturning laws and I would put his accomplishments on par with the results of the Revolutionary war. The final chapter is not written on the legality of marijuana use in the United States. The people "sneaking out into back alleys and exaggerating illnesses to gain medical marijuana prescriptions" are indeed tactics that are working to challenge the illegal/legal outcome of marijuana because their actions are causing people to discuss the topic on a daily basis. If everyone accepted that marijuana was illegal and because it was illegal, they did not use the substance, it would have a greater chance that it would forever remain illegal because no one was challenging that notion.

Fair enough. Let me revise my statement with the addition of one word, which should legitimize it.

"Breaking a petty law because you think its moronic is about the stupidest thing I can think of doing"

Trying to tie the American revolution to legalizing marijuana is a stretch no matter how you slice it. I understand the numbers, but in terms of the gravity of the situations at hand- they don't compare. On one hand you're talking about the situations which governed the lives of a (to be) nation. On the other hand, you're talking about a recreational drug. It's like saying that we should legalize heroine because the civil rights movement worked.

And just because the topic is being discussed doesn't really mean that we're any closer to legalizing it. Falsifying medical claims to get your hands on the stuff is a reality, and plenty of people know that. Until that sort of thing stops, until the image of the marijuana smoker can no longer be tied to such things as defrauding the health care system and screwing the tax payers who are responsible for paying for this 'treatment' you've got a better chance of building a snowman in Honolulu than you do of seeing marijuana legalized.

Its been given a stigma, perhaps unfairly, I don't know. the only information I have is the smokers telling me its not that bad, and everyone else saying it is. Until that stigma can be erased, which won't happen as long as there are people willing to cheat the health care system- keep the shades drawn.

 

oldpbnoob wrote: So driving 60 in a 55 zone, but not smoking pot because it's illegal is selective morality as well right?