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2 Cyclone feeders on a single A5....talk bout overkill and heavy as heck...

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote hashi2008 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 August 2004 at 7:59pm
 With one trigger with an R/T, you could rip about 30 BPS. That is plenty fast. You would never miss. One bad arse gun. I thin Tippmann should make a double barrel marker.
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Tippmann doesnt hafta make a double barrel marker and the closest description to that can be found in www.opsgear.com "Double Trouble".
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Go to the qloader site and watch the demonstration video.  The qloader load over 50 bps.  I think the guy in the first video is using an Angel, which is 30 bps.  You'd have to be a really really bad player to miss your target shooting 30 bps.  I don't even think they make submachine guns that shoot more than 30 rps.
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Originally posted by Enos Shenk Enos Shenk wrote:

The cyclone will stop feeding around 20 bps. The problem is the spring-return operation. Since the cyclone actually feeds when the air is let off (the spring pushes the plunger back), when the gun is going too fast, theres not enough time for the cylinder to evacuate the air, and let the spring return.

If you dont believe me, you can prove it yourself. Remove your gripframe, cock the gun, and let it fly. The runaway speed on a tippmann is something like 30-40 bps, and youll notice the cyclone wont spin at all.

Thats probably a saving grace for tippmann, can you imagine if the thing did spin in runaway? You would chop the rest of your paint when you run out of air and your gun farts.

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It would still feed the same speed because the bolt can only fire as fast as the balls feed. but because they feed one at a time it fires at the same rate as a normal A5. I think.

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I believe it would be slower. It would need some kind of valve to switch between the cyclones on every shot. I think they would have to slow down the firing rate because of it.
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And as I stated earlier....it would be overkill.
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I work at a paintball pro shop, and we have made a non electronic full auto a5 and 98, and the a5 won't spin fast enough, because it is shooting as fast as te bolt can go (48 bps) and the cyclone feed can only go 24 bps TOPS, I'm serious, but you really don't need it any faster. We did it with on of our 98's and we atached an egg2 with a z and it won't feed it, so were getting a halo b with a victory to see if it wil feed it. IM me at drewguere, if you have any questions.
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The cyclone feed des not need to be electric, because it is run off of excess co2, coming when the bolt slides back, so it does not use any more co2 than a 98. and the rt will not go 30 bps, we have measured it at 13 bps. My sn is drewguere, IM me with questions.
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i have a a5 wit an e grip an can only get bout 18 balls per sec wit a moded chip but if the cyclone feed was electrick (hint hint tippmann) and tied into the egrip u could make a **edited**in fast cycle rate

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 It could be made to work



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Originally posted by Tolgak Tolgak wrote:

It would need some kind of valve to switch between the cyclones on every shot.

Think "Clicky pen"

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Originally posted by Tolgak Tolgak wrote:

I believe it would be slower. It would need some kind of valve to switch between the cyclones on every shot. I think they would have to slow down the firing rate because of it.


with the advances in solonoid valves, that wouldnt be a problem
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would an gun with 2 barrels and a cyclone feed hooked up to both barrels be faster then one barrel with 2 cyclones? ( i know the gun will be pretty heavy and bulky)

each feed/side will give around 20 bps, 20bps x2 = 40 balls bps. both sides will fire at the same time or maybe a few hundreth second in between.

and i think that the cyclone should run off batteries like one person said.

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I like the idea except that it would way a ton since the A-5 ways 3 pounds by itself. Plus why would you want 40 bps what a waste of ammo and air and talk about some major bruises.
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Like I said before and I'll say it again.....its been done, 2 A5's each wit their own hopper, both A5's also has the Fire Storm Crank and its mounted on a tri-pod, try searchin fer it in www.opsgear.com
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You could probly up the speed a tad by adding a QEV
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You would need something to switch which valve is open, and the ugn would look uglier, be harder to clean, and be liek holding a wall.
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but like I said, and discussed with Enos this morning; Adding a QEV to the cyclone piston would crank up the output speed a bit since the air wouldn;t have to travel all the way down the tubing back into the valve to vent.
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