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    Posted: 31 March 2005 at 9:14pm
US captain guilty of Iraq killing
A military court has found a US army captain guilty of killing a wounded Iraqi man in central Iraq last year.

Capt Rogelio Maynulet, 30, said he shot the man, who had been wounded in a clash with US soldiers, in order to end his suffering.

The court based in Wiesbaden, Germany, found Maynulet guilty of assault with intent to commit manslaughter.

The panel will later discuss a sentence for the charge, which carries a maximum of 10 years in prison.

Maynulet 'played God'

The prosecution had pressed for a conviction on the more serious charge of assault with intent to commit murder, which can carry a 20-year jail sentence.

Karim Hassan, 36, was killed on 21 May last year near the central Iraqi town of Kufa.

This combat-trained life saver prescribed two bullets - he didn't call his superiors for guidance, didn't consult with his medic
Maj John Rothwell

US troops fired at a vehicle they thought was carrying militants linked to the radical Shia cleric Moqtada Sadr.

The hearing was told that the car's passenger was killed immediately, while the driver was badly injured.

Lt Colin Cremin testified that Maynulet and others in his unit had described the incident to him, saying the driver "had half his brain hanging out, there was nothing more that could be done for him".

In closing remarks on Thursday, the prosecution had said Maynulet had "played God" when he shot the man.

"This combat-trained life saver prescribed two bullets. He didn't call his superiors for guidance, didn't consult with his medic," Maj John Rothwell said.

Maynulet currently remains with the Wiesbaden unit but he was suspended from command on 25 May last year.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/middle_east/4397 833.stm
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dune Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 March 2005 at 9:25pm
That's an interesting story, I'll try to read more about it and get back to you.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Bango Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 March 2005 at 9:27pm
I wouldn't cal it murder. It probably would have been better to consult with a medic though.
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He was an enemy combatant, shot in a skirmish, this medic saw that there was no hope for this person, so he shot him. I dont really see a problem.
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Well according to the US mercy killing is bad. Cough Schiavo cough
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This will be funny when people start saying this guy deserves to die...but Terry Shaivo didn't....good timig Smitty.

He was driving and suspected of being a militant, I don't see anywhere that he was shooting at the soliders. If he was a lost cause then I wouldn't expect the medic's to try to save him; however, many right wingers might be apt to say that he should die when Terry shouldn't have.

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Originally posted by paintballman_13 paintballman_13 wrote:

Well according to the US mercy killing is bad. Cough Schiavo cough

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Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

He was driving and suspected of being a militant, I don't see anywhere that he was shooting at the soliders.

Yes but he might not have stopped at a checkpoint which the military takes VERY seriously.

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Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

This will be funny when people start saying this guy deserves to die...but Terry Shaivo didn't....good timig Smitty.

He was driving and suspected of being a militant, I don't see anywhere that he was shooting at the soliders. If he was a lost cause then I wouldn't expect the medic's to try to save him; however, many right wingers might be apt to say that he should die when Terry shouldn't have.



I dont think you will find a single one that will say that.

I am against the killing of this man.  I dont care who did it or who died, it should have been left to the medics, and if he was hopeless they shouldnt have killed him but rather done all they could to make him comfertable.

This in NO means is releated to the Schiovo case.  The whole mess there was not knowing if she wanted to die or not.  In this case the victim could state his wishes, however once again, it was not the place of the soldier to kill him.
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Well we still do not know all the facts. The man possibly could have not been able to speak his last wishes, however I do agree with your points about who should and should not die. If incapacitated and found to be a lost cause, the best should be done to make him comfortable as he dies.
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i think he should be let off cuz thats a stupid charge. ur suposed to kill the enemy, not save them.
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Let me argue this for the right and save them some time:

1. It's a war, there shouldn't have been a trial in the first place.

2. Soldiers are trained to kill everything in sight. You cannot blame this man.

3. Or, my favorite, courtesy of Limbaugh: "It was just a soldier blowing off steam.

 

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Originally posted by goodsmitty goodsmitty wrote:

3. Or, my favorite, courtesy of Limbaugh: "It was just a soldier blowing off steam.

Rush really said that?  It is sadly believable, but still...

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Originally posted by DBibeau855 DBibeau855 wrote:

He was an enemy combatant, shot in a
skirmish, this medic saw that there was no hope for this person,
so he shot him. I dont really see a problem.


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Why is it our duty to make sure an enemy is medicaly treated four wounds sustained while attacking us. The people we are fighting would show us no such quarter, or nothing close to hospitality. What they would do, is cut the head off the soldier while he is still living and parade his body in the street and show off his severed bloody head. As far as i am concerned this soldier was being nice when he shot him.

People want us to stop being "world police" we can stop right there and quit treating wounded men that sustain injuries while attacking our troops. Its not our job.
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I was watching that Schivo crap, and there was a protestor sign that read "This is how the Holocaust Started".

HOW THE HELL IS THIS SIMILAR TO THE HOLOCAUST?!


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Originally posted by Panda Man Panda Man wrote:


I was watching that Schivo crap, and there was a protestor sign that read "This is how the Holocaust Started".

HOW THE HELL IS THIS SIMILAR TO THE HOLOCAUST?!



Because it is. But the two are completely unrelated, it was policy to "Euthanize" germans with severe brain damage or mental retardation. But the two subjects are apples and oranges. Dumb someone put the two in the same sentence.
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