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    Posted: 28 September 2005 at 10:29pm
Hero or Villian?

What he did, was it good for the world, or bad?

Im writing an essay on this and I need some input. Theres enough factual evidence to support either way, but I can't choose.

And, it should make a nice dissussion.
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I say hero. My backing is obvious.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Darur Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 September 2005 at 10:31pm
He is an evil white man because he found an island, pretended it was something else (said he thought it was India, pssht, hes just a racist white rebublucan) and then convinced a bunch of his pals to exterminate the Indians.
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He was a hero, he killed all the idians!!

I dont really know, i dont know all the facts, but, he was pretty gangster finding the south america stuff, cuba and haiti and all that. Thats pretty pimp, so i say hero i guess. I really dont care that he may or may not have hurt any idians or whatever.
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He did help create the America we see today. But thank Henry the Navigator for starting up the whole naval exploration thing. Imagine if China was more like Europe and focused on exploring for material wealth rather than to parade their power to other nations, they might have sailed across the Pacific in their junks and "discovered" America that way.

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In 1492
Columbus sailed the ocean
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^^^not cool, man, not cool. i say hero because of his expedition. it paved the way for many other explorers for years to come. america would be a different place without him. i say villain because of his treatment of the natives which he mistakenly called "indians." if im not mistaken, they were a peaceful people who wanted to trade with christopher, but he managed to enslave them instead. so i guess it depends on how you look at it.
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Didnt you hear the lates Kanye West statement?"Columbus obviously hates tan people."


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Originally posted by deadeye007 deadeye007 wrote:

Didnt you hear the lates Kanye West statement?"Columbus obviously hates tan people."


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Originally posted by DeTrevni DeTrevni wrote:

^^^not cool, man, not cool. i say hero because of his expedition. it paved the way for many other explorers for years to come. america would be a different place without him. i say villain because of his treatment of the natives which he mistakenly called "indians." if im not mistaken, they were a peaceful people who wanted to trade with christopher, but he managed to enslave them instead. so i guess it depends on how you look at it.

They were not peaceful.
The caribos (sp) cut off the fingers and hands of prisoners of war.
The Aztecs sacificed thier prisoners.
The iriqous(sp) killed thier prisoners of war.

Peaceful, Id say no.
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i dont think kanye is ever gonna live this one down...
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Originally posted by cdacda13 cdacda13 wrote:

Originally posted by DeTrevni DeTrevni wrote:

^^^not cool, man, not cool. i say hero because of his expedition. it paved the way for many other explorers for years to come. america would be a different place without him. i say villain because of his treatment of the natives which he mistakenly called "indians." if im not mistaken, they were a peaceful people who wanted to trade with christopher, but he managed to enslave them instead. so i guess it depends on how you look at it.

They were not peaceful.
The caribos (sp) cut off the fingers and hands of prisoners of war.
The Aztecs sacificed thier prisoners.
The iriqous(sp) killed thier prisoners of war.

Peaceful, Id say no.

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Originally posted by cdacda13 cdacda13 wrote:

Originally posted by DeTrevni DeTrevni wrote:

^^^not cool, man, not cool. i say hero because of his expedition. it paved the way for many other explorers for years to come. america would be a different place without him. i say villain because of his treatment of the natives which he mistakenly called "indians." if im not mistaken, they were a peaceful people who wanted to trade with christopher, but he managed to enslave them instead. so i guess it depends on how you look at it.

They were not peaceful.
The caribos (sp) cut off the fingers and hands of prisoners of war.
The Aztecs sacificed thier prisoners.
The iriqous(sp) killed thier prisoners of war.

Peaceful, Id say no.
They tried to be peaceful because they were getting outnumbered.

But I applaud those few native Central Americans who pours molten gold down the throats of some European captives because they had "gold fever". LOL, totally bad ass.


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He died from syphalis (sp) that std.

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Originally posted by impulse! impulse! wrote:

He died from syphalis (sp) that std.


The STD that originated in North America. OH SNAP!
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Why does it have to be hero or villain?  Why the sharp dichotomy?

Can't he be a little bit of both?  Or neither?  Most of all, perhaps, can't he be an explorer, a bold soul who went where (as far as he knew) no man had gone before.

I disagree with the premise underlying the question.

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Originally posted by Darur Darur wrote:

He is an evil white man because he found an island, pretended it was
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white racist republican? thats a fair comment. so all white republicans are racist now? i didnt know my grandmother was racist. my neighbor was racist. my uncle was racist. my parents were racist. former teachers were racist. I could go on and on.
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I'm with Rambino on this one. He was a hero as well as a villain. My mom told me she read somewhere that if he had a problem with someone, he would just have them hanged, no questions asked. He sounds like an asshole, but then again he did bring European ways to America.
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1492. Columbus sailed the ocean blue.

that's all i can remember. And how the hell can you sail a ocean blue???
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