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Posted: 29 December 2005 at 10:52am

I made this poll just to see what the people think.

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Posted: 29 December 2005 at 11:27am

I believe there’s some what sniping in woods ball. I think of sniping as moving in to a perfect angle in witch you can shoot other players. But I don’t think sitting in one spot the whole game with a 20in barrel and firing 2 shots is sniping. This is the one reason I dislike woods ball I hate having to go and find all these so called “snipers” because they find one spot and sit there the whole game not moving. Now I can understand if you move around to different spots and when you do find someone if you try to sneak up on them from a perfect angle and shoot them with one clean shot. I guess what I’m saying is that there is sniping in paintball but to a point.

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Posted: 29 December 2005 at 12:18pm

Yes, thats what I mean. In paintball, there is a different kind of sniping. You stalk or flank and secretly take out a player. Thats considered sniping in paintball.

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Posted: 29 December 2005 at 12:32pm

Its called stealth... snipers only exist in military applications. A few thread have been able to give some really good explanantions of why snipers don't exist in paintball. Then again, if you want to believe paintball sniping exists, maybe its best just to pretend and keep everyone happy

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Posted: 29 December 2005 at 12:39pm

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Posted: 29 December 2005 at 12:58pm

Hehe, just wanted to see what people were gonna say.

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Posted: 29 December 2005 at 1:06pm

Kyle whats up? Of course there is some form of sniping. You stalk and wait for the right time to shoot from a cocealed location. Hey Kyle iam getting that ghillie suit, me and you 2 man sniping team. We will own all.

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Posted: 29 December 2005 at 1:08pm

IMO opnion no their is not snipeing as in staying in 1 spot and shooting poeple from farther distances. Their is going around very secretly and getting some1 from behind.

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Posted: 29 December 2005 at 1:13pm

i think there is. i meen waiting in one spot is dumb cuz i tried it when i was playing my step bro an right b4 he was gonna walk into a clearing an i was gonna blast him he turns around an starts to walk away...but if its 5 vs 5 snipers will happen + just stay on high ground an the sniper wont see you as much....
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see what i meen you can stay above him...unless hes as high as it gets...then you sneek up behind him ( i maybe a newb but im been paintballing almost nonstop for the past 4 days :D:D:D)

oh ya sry if i didnt make any sence now that i read it i realize it made more sence in my mind... :D

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Posted: 29 December 2005 at 1:18pm

$Originally posted by /\LiX$ /\LiX wrote:

i think there is. i meen waiting in one spot is dumb cuz i tried it when i was playing my step bro an right b4 he was gonna walk into a clearing an i was gonna blast him he turns around an starts to walk away...but if its 5 vs 5 snipers will happen + just stay on high ground an the sniper wont see you as much....
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see what i meen you can stay above him...unless hes as high as it gets...then you sneek up behind him ( i maybe a newb but im been paintballing almost nonstop for the past 4 days :D:D:D)

oh ya sry if i didnt make any sence now that i read it i realize it made more sence in my mind... :D

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Posted: 29 December 2005 at 2:06pm

lol the polls broke you can vote as many times as you want...and i guess someone doesn't like sniping alot.

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Posted: 29 December 2005 at 4:10pm

Please search. There are already thousands of topics on this subject that will show you that there are no snipers in paintball. Don't post any more until you've read at least 3 sniper topics. Thanks.

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Posted: 29 December 2005 at 4:21pm

dead-eye_tippy wrote:

Hehe, just wanted to see what people were gonna say.

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Posted: 29 December 2005 at 4:49pm

People are so nice these days. Glad there are still people like Lix and Amishman around to be nice. Happy Playing.

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Posted: 29 December 2005 at 5:30pm

here comes the flaming

a buch of "snipers" will say theres such thing

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Posted: 29 December 2005 at 7:30pm

Im gonna get flammed, but I think in mil-sim there definitly is, but not on like 5 v 5 or anything. There has to be 2 massive "armys" and a large playing field to do anything of the type.

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Posted: 29 December 2005 at 8:59pm

Mr. Spiffy wrote:

Its called stealth... snipers only exist in military applications. A few thread have been able to give some really good explanantions of why snipers don't exist in paintball. Then again, if you want to believe paintball sniping exists, maybe its best just to pretend and keep everyone happy

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Posted: 29 December 2005 at 8:59pm

ya the ppl aren't a sniper if they sit in one spot. if you ever read on them they shoot once then usually move. i say there kind of are snipers, like what yomillio said, in a big game with a bunch of players they may be. but in a 5 v 5 there can't be. those ppl that sit in one spot are just pussies, and they don't want to get shot. thats all i say.

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Posted: 29 December 2005 at 10:39pm

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I made this poll just to see what the people think.

Borderline trolling, but here's a reply anyway...

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BASIC Sniper Tactics and how they relate to paintball 101

First some basics need to be established. The game is paintball and for the purposes of this class it is played in the woods where the terrain dictates that you’ll be engaging each other most of the time at between 20 and 25 meters. (In other words close range) It is played most often by 2 opposing sides of roughly equal size. For all intent and purposes this game is modeled on military small unit combat.

Now several you are going "whoo hoo, my kind of sniper country"…without knowing what makes a sniper. Many of you have gone to the dictionary and found a reference saying something to the effect that a sniper is someone who fires from concealment and have used this a your basis for your claim to being one in paintball. That's all well and dandy, except you ignore the rest of the definition.

snip·er ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sn p r)n. A skilled military shooter detailed to spot and pick off enemy soldiers from a concealed place. One who shoots at other people from a concealed place.

Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth EditionCopyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

Now you’ll note that this expanded definition is still quite general in it scope, after all anyone who squats behind bush to fire is a sniper which is not the case.

So, since the dictionary has not resolved this we must consult the experts for a better definition of what makes a sniper in our chosen environment. It happens that I’ve had the opportunity to do just that from time to time in my 22 years in the Army.

In summary here are the extreme basics of what is an effective sniper:
· A superior marksman
· Expert knowledge in the art camouflage for concealment
· The ability to approach the target without being detected
· Engage the target from beyond effective range of return fire
· The ability to engage the target without revealing your position
· The ability to egress the area after successfully engaging the target without being positively identified and engaged

The first three of these points are possible in the game of paintball, but do not make you a sniper, they just take some training and practice.

Let’s look at them one at a time.

A superior marksman

Basically someone who’s shooting skills are well above that of the average player. No big problem here, skill levels very, some people are just plain better than others.

Expert knowledge in the art camouflage for concealment

This one is a little tougher. It takes knowledge of what will fool the eye into not seeing what is really there. It’s still doable though. Trained military have an advantage over the someone whose camouflage skills are solely based on hunting. Not because the non-military hunter is any less skilled but because of who the camouflage is intended to fool. But once armed with the knowledge of what the differences are this isn’t even a problem. So, yes this can be effectively applied to paintball.

The ability to approach the target without being detected

This one is a bigger problem. If just taken as being able to move close enough to a player that is already in place to make your shot undetected is very difficult. Since instinctively humans are hunters, our attention is automatically drawn to movement or things that are out of place. It’s takes someone that is extremely skilled in moving undected to pull this one off. But I have seen it done.

I should add to this the ability to setup a position that provides an undetected position from which to shoot that covers an area you expect your opponent to move through. A basic ambush.

Both require an undetected shooting position and can be effectively applied to paintball depending on skill level

The last three points are where the concept of a sniper in paintball fails.

Engage the target from beyond effective range of return fire

No matter what you do, as long as everyone has the same approximate muzzle velocity, everyone has about the same effective range. Yes, that means Flatlines too. While Flatlines do have the ability, do to an aerodynamic backspin, shoot farther than other barrel systems the paintball still loses velocity at the same rate. What this means is that a paintball from a flatline loses the energy to break its shell at the same rate as one fired from a conventional barrel. The advantage of the flatline is initial flat trajectory that paintball has, which allows someone to fire under foliage that would otherwise break the ball. (The first failed point in being an effective sniper)

The ability to engage the target without revealing your position

Since the effective range is around 20-25m means that when you fire you have effectively revealed your general position. What I mean is this. Your shooting from such a close range that either the pop of your ball leaving the barrel or the sound of your bolt cycling (or both) will give your general position away to anyone with average hearing as far away as 40m. Unless you are only engaging 1 or 2 people or are extremely lucking you yourself can now be effectively counted as a mission kill. (The second failed point in being an effective sniper)

The ability to egress the area after successfully engaging the target without being positively identified and engaged

What this means is the ability move to a new shooting position after having engaged a target without being detected and counter-engaged your self. Since it’s been demonstrated that you can’t effectively engage a target without revealing your initial shooting position and exposing yourself to effective counter fire this one automatically fails. (The third failed point in being an effective sniper)

Now just because you can’t effectively apply all of the above tactics of what makes an effective sniper doesn’t mean that the first 3 listed can’t be applied to paintball. Do they make you a sniper? No. But they do give you the ability to setup an effective close ambush. Just a word of advice here, bring along several friends and you might even be effective at it.

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