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Topic: BATF on SilencersPosted: 07 April 2006 at 6:17pm |
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I have done some research on "Silencers" for paintball markers/guns. Here is what I found on the BATF website specifically about "Silencers and paintball markers/guns" http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#a9 Very interesting and hopefully this will help everyone maybe understand what is legal and not, here in the US. |
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Posted: 07 April 2006 at 6:58pm |
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I've posted that info many times. Anyone who wanted info on it could have just searched the forums.
But eh, who cares. As long as the word is getting out. |
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Posted: 07 April 2006 at 7:37pm |
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i want silencers to be leagle!
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Bruce A. Frank
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Posted: 07 April 2006 at 7:49pm |
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Talk to your congressman. |
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Posted: 07 April 2006 at 7:50pm |
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STANGER, I know that YWSM had posted it before, but I didn't have the site address available. Thank you for posting it! |
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Posted: 07 April 2006 at 10:40pm |
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and learn to spell. |
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Posted: 07 April 2006 at 11:58pm |
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LMAO Your so stupid!! This says paintball silencers, being of their nature and cause.. have been called FIRE ARM silencers!! DOESNT MEAN PAINTBALL GUN SILENCERS ARE ILLEGAL! It means that some silencers that have been made can be used with a real firearm, therfor illegal! It also says you need to pay 200 dollars in order to MANUFACTURE and REGISTER a silencer to make it legal. A PAINTBALL GUN IS NOT A FIREARM!! Why not you may ask? A paintball is projected by compressed air, not an explosion. Therefor the BATF does not make the laws of paintball guns/Markers. Any further questions, dont ask cause ur making urself look stupid by dragging this on further |
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Posted: 08 April 2006 at 12:31am |
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ummm... most places consider paintball guns to be firearms but regardless any silencer you can use on a paintball gun, you can also use on a real gun even if it will only last one shot. this is an old argument. ![]() |
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Posted: 08 April 2006 at 12:37am |
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lol, how are you going to fit the silencer onto the gun? and no one considers a paintball gun a firearm except little kits on forums like these for one reason - its not one.
I dare you to find a real suppresser for a real gun, that will fit a paintball gun. The same exact bore! Visa versa. Edited by daveb333 - 08 April 2006 at 12:38am |
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Posted: 08 April 2006 at 12:41am |
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The law really only applies to the airsoft guns with more universal sizes such as .45 caliber which matches quite a few guns such as the standerd rifle for the us military - M4 and M16A1 the previous standard rifle for the us military.
Ive done my research, but have you truly done yours? Edited by daveb333 - 08 April 2006 at 12:42am |
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Posted: 08 April 2006 at 12:43am |
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shut. up. there have already been countless threads on this.
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Posted: 08 April 2006 at 12:44am |
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wow ur ignorance shows in every post. fitting a silencer that fits on a paintball gun onto a real gun is extremely easy. Ur thinking screw in silencers, many fit on the exterior of the barrel. Paintball and real guns have simmilar exterior barrel diamators(yes i know spelt wrong). Any way a silencer does not fit the the diameter of the projectile completely it is larger than it. The way a silencer works is it catches and muffels the sound from the excaping gasses so the bores do not need to be the same. And who considers paintball guns fire arms? THE GOVERMENT DOES. You can have fun screwing with them if you like. |
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Posted: 08 April 2006 at 2:04am |
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I really enjoy the nitpicking that goes on when those have little knowledge and no experience try to bully everyone who disagrees with them. I'll try one more time. It makes no difference whether a paintball marker is considered a gun, a firearm or a ping-pong paddle. BATF could not care less on to what you install the silencer. The BATF regulates silencers. The law is clear and specific. Silencers designed to muffle a paintball marker will work quite well on a hand gun or rifle. As JediJak said, people are mistaken to think the James Bond type screw-it-into-the-barrel is the way they are all attached. In fact, few semi-auto handguns can function with a silencer attached directly to the barrel. Most are either a friction fit or use a series of clamps to hold them in place. Most handguns have to be heavily modified to accept a screw-on style of silencer. A few years ago someone developed a fitting for the end of several rifles and pistols. This fitting was clamped on the end of the barrel and allowed one to screw a 2 liter plastic soda bottle over the end of the barrel...making an extremely effective silencer. The BATF ruled that possession of that fitting was the same as owning a illegal silencer. One last time, the BATF regulates the devise designed to muffle a weapon. Since a silencer designed to muffle a paintball marker can be applied to a firearm, it is still a regulated devise. And I just cannot let it pass, if your definition of a firearm is one that requires the ignition of a combustible product to propel the "bullet," Tippmann certainly has blurred the line with the C-3. Fact is it requires little modification of a paintball marker to turn it into a lethal weapon. Heck, there have already been people killed with standard markers when hit in the eye. Through the centuries there have been several examples of hunting weapons that used pressure chambers to store compressed air to fire a standard lead bullet. That is just a point of interest, since it has no impact on the regulation of silencers. Silencers are regulated. Not silencers on firearms, not silencers on paintball markers, not silencers on BB guns or on Airsoft guns. Silencers are regulated. |
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Posted: 08 April 2006 at 2:20am |
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hmm..nice thread, but im still gonna use mine... poof, poof, wiz, splat... all ya hear
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Posted: 08 April 2006 at 2:42am |
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Really? I was aware of the tank deaths, but not this. Do you have more information about this, or a link? |
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Posted: 08 April 2006 at 4:47am |
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Victoria Snelgrove was killed when hit in the eye by a Boston policeman firing pepperballs to control crowds. October '04 http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/10/22/fan.death/ The products: http://www.pepperball.com/home_a.asp http://www.pepperball.com/le/products.asp
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Posted: 08 April 2006 at 11:34am |
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I was just about to bring up the C-3, but you beat me to it. |
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Posted: 08 April 2006 at 11:51am |
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Ok, this is my final post cause no one has listened to me yet.
A paintball gun uses COMPRESSED AIR (or nitrogen)! So yes, they do care that a paintball gun isn't a firearm, the only person who doesn't is you.
bruce a... have you been listening???? I said it is projected BY COMBUSTION not a combustable product you dummas! STAY ON TOPIC! BATF regulates silencers on FIREARMS... end of story! Paintball guns are not firearms, therefor the BATF does not make laws about paintball guns! Maybe you dont understand this buy BATF makes laws about silencers on firearms! They dont make it on cars, or motorcycles, or boats, or EVEN PAINTBALLGUNS! It is strictly FIREARMS. Which is why its called BATF and not BATFPM (Beuro of alchol tobacco firearms and paintball markers) How bout you guys read and understand everything before you post. Edited by daveb333 - 08 April 2006 at 11:54am |
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Posted: 08 April 2006 at 11:56am |
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Numerous paintball
silencers tested by the Firearms Technology Branch have been determined to be,
by nature of their design and function, firearm silencers as defined in 18 U.S.C.,
Section 921(a)(24). An individual wishing to manufacturer a firearm silencer must
receive prior approval from ATF by submitting an ATF Form 1 and paying a $200
making tax.
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Posted: 08 April 2006 at 12:13pm |
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Let me break it down for you.
So will you all stop dragging it out, suck it up, and admit that i am right. Just say it!: Oh, i misunderstood this law and it is true that SOME paintball silencers are illegal only because they are compatable with FIREARM silencers. Edited by daveb333 - 08 April 2006 at 12:22pm |
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