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Okay, it may sound crazy, but its based on more scienctific facts then you might believe, even tho it sounds crazy. Its my theory of the origin not just of earth, but of the universe as we know it. Feel free to poke holes and be skeptical, i just made this us this afternoon (too much science channel, and caffine.)

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According to the laws of physics, energy can never be completely lost; it just turns into another form of energy. (I.e. heat, electricity, movement, etc.) Though the energy has been spent theoretically a black hole could collect and condense this energy through its extreme magnetic pull into an infinitely small and infinitely dense sphere. But when the black hole dies and collapses what then happens to the matter and energy condensed by the black hole into that sphere? Because that energy cannot be lost, I believe that it explodes outward having fused back with other matter while inside the black hole. Thus theoretically the universes energy supply is then renewing itself and by reusing the very energy that was previously spent, causing the universe to renew its self and its energy supply. This is not to say that something like a star could go on forever without using up all its energy (Sorry the sun will still one day go out and it could be the end of mankind as we know it… but that’s another topic for a later day.) But, there is still hope, when that star does use up all its fuel and all that energy is released, that star will collapse, and the energy will still be around though, just in a different form. And according to my theory a black holes gravity is strong enough to take in that spent energy and as I stated above, renew its self.

Many of you might be thinking if I’m right “Yay the universe will never end! Mankind may have a chance after all!” But that’s not true, in a sense. And now I have you confused. You see the universe as we know it is gradually expanding, more quickly over time. And one day, there will not be enough energy in the universe to be able to sustain its growingly large size. And I think the universe will collapse in on its self creating a massive black hole of unimaginable proportions, much like a giant star when it collapses it creates a black hole. Sucking every bit of what was in the universe as we knew it in, until one day the black hole will die and collapse, what happens then you say? A Huge explosion and wave of energy and matter being shot outward in every direction, a “Big Bang” if you will. I believe that, is the origin of mankind, and the universe for that matter, scientist have wondered if there where many other universes other then our own, and I believe it to be true, and that the end of one, causes for the beginning of another over time. Thus answering the skeptical question “Where did the matter come from for the big bang?”

Most of you who have had a second to think by now, have said “If that energy and matter in the black hole explodes outward then why hasn’t any one noticed, surely N.A.S.A. or some other Astronomer has picked this up on their telescopes or some of their equipment, but there is nothing. Well I have an answer for that too. You see in our universe, every bit of matter out there doesn’t have enough mass to provide anywhere near the gravitational pull required to keep the universe in place, so scientist have came up with a new theory about a new kind of matter, Dark Matter. Dark matter isn’t made up of atoms or molecules like any other matter out there, its invisible and since is not made up of atoms it has the ability to travel straight through other matter composed of atoms, thus making it nearly impossible to detect but makes up about 7 times more of the gravitational pull needed to keep the universe together then mass made up of atoms. You ask, “Cool but what does this have anything to do with your theory and why no one has noticed this “energy explosion.”” You see I believe that the matter from the dark matter is so condensed from the gravity of the black hole that the very atoms inside it have been crushed and destroyed (at least temporarily) and it comes back as dark matter, which is would explain why dark matter creates so much more gravity then normal matter because its mass is so dense that it has much more gravity of something with less density of the same volume. And over time the matter and its energy reform back to how they originally where until the energy is again spent, and remade through this infinite repeating cycle.

This doesn’t quiet prove evolution to all that have held fast to that theory however, just because a big bang formed what we know as the universe doesn’t prove that we evolved from monkeys. The facts disproving evolution are just too great for me to ever believe, I believe that Humans are truly just energy and matter combined together much like animals, or even a flowing stream of water. Much like the dark matter slowly returning back to its original state, I believe that the energy and matter that makes up humans is so complex and complicated that it takes more time for it to be able to combine and regenerate as they once where and this causes the delay we see between the “creation” of man from other life forms. In short my theory states that the earth was created by not just 1 single big bang that started all of time, but a large series of previous “explosions” of energy slowly restoring itself until the universe once again reaches too large of a size and once again collapses upon itself.

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Just read the first few sentences and my beef is black holes don't collapse, they are just masses with a gravitational pull greater then the speed of life.


Ok, finished.  Basically your saying that the cycle of big bang/big crush repeats itself in every star?  I don't really follow.

I suggest you go pick up "A Breif History of Time" its an excellent book by Stephen Hawking that discusses the properties of time and the universe, as well as how these theories and hypothesis were formed.


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Originally posted by Darur Darur wrote:

Just read the first few sentences and my beef is black holes don't collapse, they are just masses with a gravitational pull greater then the speed of life, I'll edit when I finish.
Black holes are created when I giant star runs out of fuel and the star "dies" then a black hole is created, and I could very well be wrong but from my sources (some stuff about Stephan Hawking and other stuff) they say that black holes do "collapse" or at least come to an end. but, I could be wrong, it happens a lot
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[QUOTE=Darur]Just read the first few sentences
and my beef is black holes don't collapse, they are just masses with a
gravitational pull greater then the speed of life, I'll edit when I finish. [/
QUOTE] Black holes are created when I giant star runs out of fuel and the
star "dies" then a black hole is created, and I could very well be wrong but
from my sources (some stuff about Stephan Hawking and other stuff) they
say that black holes do "collapse" or at least come to an end. but, I could
be wrong, it happens a lot


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Originally posted by __sneaky__ __sneaky__ wrote:

Originally posted by Darur Darur wrote:

Just read the first few sentences and my beef is black holes don't collapse, they are just masses with a gravitational pull greater then the speed of life, I'll edit when I finish.
Black holes are created when I giant star runs out of fuel and the star "dies" then a black hole is created, and I could very well be wrong but from my sources (some stuff about Stephan Hawking and other stuff) they say that black holes do "collapse" or at least come to an end. but, I could be wrong, it happens a lot


No

Black holes are often misunderstood because of the common misconception they "collapse".  This is true, but it doesn't cause the black hole to form, its a by product.

All a black hole really is is a huge mass with a tremendous gravitational pull, so strong light cannot escape.  As you know all bodies have gravity.   Its often measured in "escape velocity", or the necessary speed for an object to resist the pull of gravity.  On earth its roughly 7 miles per second.  With a black hole, there is so much matter and thus so much gravity that the escape velocity is over 299,792,458 m/s, making it impossible for light to escape.

I suggest you read these articles:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole


http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/htmltest/gifcity/bh_pub_faq.html

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I thought gravity was relative to distance and mass of objects, not a quantity that they just happen to have..
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Originally posted by High Voltage High Voltage wrote:

I thought gravity was relative to distance and mass of objects, not a quantity that they just happen to have..
well it is, depending on the theory you follow, as opposed to the dark matter I discussed in my theory, "variable gravity" is another theory used to exsplain that problem. which as I'm sure you guessed, is variable, its not a very high held theory tho
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So provide some math to back up your theory?
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Accoring to my caluclations.. Jesus is returning in 07 to colapse many black holes.

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Actually, the black hole is just a super compact star. It's gravitational force is no different than that of the star it was created from, it's just a lot more focused. If our sun were to instantly collapse into a diameter of 2km, a black hole would be formed. That won't happen, however. Black holes can only be created by a star with a mass at least 38 times as great as our sun's. Our sun will just expand (ultimately engulfing Mercury, Venus and Earth and charring Mars), then violently shed off it's outer gases in a supernova explosion, forming a planetary nebula around a white dwarf star.

Black holes aren't even holes.

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Just as a lil disclaimer to my own sanity (which is questionable as it is...) I dont really think this is how we all came to be, its against the laws of thermodynamics, but I figured I could have some fun with it... so, ya. And the sad thing is, It still makes a lot more sence then most of the theories surrounding this issue *coughbiblecough* but ill see if I can come up with some equation for HV, till then... well I dunno talk about ducks or somthing
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Sorry whenever I hear black holes and space stuff all I can think about is Stargate SG-1 and man Samantha is hot


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Originally posted by Darur Darur wrote:


Ok, finished.  Basically your saying that the cycle of big bang/big crush repeats itself in every star?  I don't really follow.

I suggest you go pick up "A Breif History of Time" its an excellent book by Stephen Hawking that discusses the properties of time and the universe, as well as how these theories and hypothesis were formed.
Not that EVERY star becomes a black hole, but many do, and those black holes created will also suck in the energy and matter of other stars around it, It scavenges whats left behind of other things and sucks them in, Its kinda like a pair of headders on a car, dont get me wrong, not every ounce of energy out there will get scavenged by a black hole, but some. If every star was renewed then our universe would last a whole lot longer then we can prove the universe, or at least the earth, has.

I know its confusing stuff. And I'll check that book out, see if I cant learn a thing or two (like how to spell)



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Originally posted by __sneaky__ __sneaky__ wrote:

Originally posted by Darur Darur wrote:


Ok, finished.  Basically your saying that the cycle of big bang/big crush repeats itself in every star?  I don't really follow.

I suggest you go pick up "A Breif History of Time" its an excellent book by Stephen Hawking that discusses the properties of time and the universe, as well as how these theories and hypothesis were formed.
Not that EVERY star becomes a black hole, but many do, and those black holes created will also suck in the energy and matter of other stars around it, It scavenges whats left behind of other things and sucks them in, Its kinda like a pair of headders on a car, dont get me wrong, not every ounce of energy out there will get scavenged by a black hole, but some. If every star was renewed then our universe would last a whole lot longer then we can prove the universe, or at least the earth, has.

I know its confusing stuff. And I'll check that book out, see if I cant learn a thing or two (like how to spell)



Actually very few stars do... Most burn out and fade away like a hollywood actor. Very few pull a Tom Cruise, collapse into insanity and suck in everything around them.

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Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:

Originally posted by __sneaky__ __sneaky__ wrote:

Originally posted by Darur Darur wrote:


Ok, finished.  Basically your saying that the cycle of big bang/big crush repeats itself in every star?  I don't really follow.

I suggest you go pick up "A Breif History of Time" its an excellent book by Stephen Hawking that discusses the properties of time and the universe, as well as how these theories and hypothesis were formed.
Not that EVERY star becomes a black hole, but many do, and those black holes created will also suck in the energy and matter of other stars around it, It scavenges whats left behind of other things and sucks them in, Its kinda like a pair of headders on a car, dont get me wrong, not every ounce of energy out there will get scavenged by a black hole, but some. If every star was renewed then our universe would last a whole lot longer then we can prove the universe, or at least the earth, has.

I know its confusing stuff. And I'll check that book out, see if I cant learn a thing or two (like how to spell)



Actually very few stars do... Most burn out and fade away like a hollywood actor. Very few pull a Tom Cruise, collapse into insanity and suck in everything around them.

Dammit. Must stop using weird metaphors...


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No human on this planet, as of right now, can even put a dent in explaining 'the universe' and all of it's mightiness.
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I agree that there is quite a ways to go, but I would have to say that we have collectively put quite a dent in the explanation.

As noted above, everybody should read "A Brief History of Time".  Even though that book is now obsolete, it is an excellent primer on the subject.

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